chat extract re left-to-right langs

[15:20]	jdp	magdyyasen, if you ask your question perhaps someone will answer it, but no-one will if you don't.
[15:21]	<magdyyasen>	i have question about how far tcl/tk libraries support Right to Left languages like hebrew and arabic as when i use amsn in my ubuntu 10.04 i find that when i write arabic it is written reversed way
[15:21]	tclguy	http://wiki.tcl.tk/1126
[15:22]	tclguy	http://wiki.tcl.tk/699 - A simple Arabic renderer <http://wiki.tcl.tk/_/ref?N=699>
[15:22]	tclguy	Tk doesn't have the "core" support that makes it automagic, but you can layer over some level of support
[15:22]	tclguy	"Heblish" - http://wiki.tcl.tk/704
[15:23]	<magdyyasen>	sir i want to tell you that i am not very expert in ubuntu and tcl/tk so please i need an affirm do you mean that i need to install heblish from http://wiki.tcl.tk/704
[15:24]	<magdyyasen>	?
[15:24]	tclguy	there isn't a direct package for it that I'm aware of
[15:24]	ferrieux	is it a question for Amsn ?
[15:24]	<jylevy>	gm world
[15:24]	tclguy	but leveraging the routines used on those pages, the amsn people could support rtl
[15:24]	tclguy	limited rtl
[15:24]	<jylevy>	hey Jeff ltnc
[15:25]	tclguy	hi jacob.  all's well I hope?
[15:25]	<jylevy>	yes, yahoo still fun 
[15:25]	<jylevy>	mistachkin if you're on say hi
[15:25]	tclguy	not a stressful env at yahoo?
[15:25]	<jylevy>	nah vry relaxed
[15:25]	tclguy	the news isn't easy on them
[15:25]	<magdyyasen>	actually i asked amsn for this and they told me that it is tcl/tk and i should talk with tcl team
[15:25]	<jylevy>	its as stressful as you let it be stressful 
[15:26]	tclguy	magdyyasen - that's partly true
[15:26]	<magdyyasen>	and here i am doing talking to you for solution
[15:26]	tclguy	Tk _could_ do it in the core, but it doesn't
[15:26]	tclguy	however, it _can_ be supported at the app level
[15:26]	<magdyyasen>	becuase they told me that amsn is using tcl t
[15:26]	ferrieux	the solutions given at script-level are simple
[15:26]	jdp	I guess what we really want right now is to go take those wiki pages to the aMsn crew?
[15:26]	tclguy	perhaps they weren't aware of that
[15:26]	<jylevy>	tclguy I'm working on a big project to leevrage eagle
[15:26]	tclguy	seriously?
[15:26]	<jylevy>	yes
[15:27]	<jylevy>	its very cool stuff
[15:27]	<jylevy>	only problem is the speed reminds me of pre-brian's compiler 
[15:27]	tclguy	hehe, yes
[15:27]	<jylevy>	you just have to be careful, do most things in C#
[15:27]	<jylevy>	really use it only for glue
[15:28]	<jylevy>	but tbh what I'm using it for the perf is dominated by latency (web ops) anyways
[15:28]	<jylevy>	so not a big deal, plus there's threading tricks to make it seem ultra responsive nonetheless
[15:28]	kbk	re amsn - better to ask when KaKaRoTo is in the room
[15:29]	<jylevy>	hi kbk I was asked by mistachkin to contact you, whats the best email?
[15:29]	<magdyyasen>	you said that tk can support right to left language in their core but they don't !!! so why don't they do it ? is it so difficult ? and finally isn't there solution for this situation i have
[15:29]	<magdyyasen>	?
[15:29]	tclguy	you could make a ctext-like megawidget that would support rtl ... that might be interesting
[15:29]	kbk	jylevy - kennykb at acm dot org
[15:29]	tclguy	magdyyasen - fully correct rtl support is not trivial
[15:29]	<jylevy>	kbk will do, email will be jaclevy 2010 at gee mal de mer 
[15:30]	kbk	magdyyasen - Yes, it is hard. (Arabic is particularly hard - at least if you want the result to be readable)
[15:31]	jdp	magdyyasen, bear in mind that you just walked into a chatroom full of developers, generally aimed at developers. Are you a programmer?
[15:32]	<magdyyasen>	i am not programmer for operation systems i use matlab and c may be but in my field as electronic engineer no more